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Kylie 16:10:01 4/21/2007
Hi Everyone,
please move your discussion here. Thanks for all your support!
http://banpuppymills.blogspot.com/
Kylie From Clinton, Ohio http://banpuppymills.blogspot.com/
Matthew DeLuca 15:48:59 4/21/2007


I want to express my strong feelings regarding God's precious four-legged children.Animals are living, breathing, feeling, loving, soul-filled beings, just like we human animals are. And as such, Animals should NOT be auctioned off.To auction off a living being is disrespectful, and dangerous to that individual's well being, since the buyer could be a psycho or animal abuser.As far as Puppy Mills, and other irresponsible "Animal Pimps" go.....such slime should be locked up, because they are prostituting innocent Animals, and creating MORE Animals in a world that already is murdering millions of Animals every year because we cannot find homes for the countless Animals already born!ONLY THROUGH SPAYING/NEUTERING, AND PUTTING "ANIMAL PIMPS" OUT OF BUSINESS, CAN WE STOP THE HORRIBLE CYCLE OF CRUELTY AND DEATH THAT WE CREATED!!
Peace and love to ALL living Souls!
Matthew DeLuca From Oklahoma, USA QMD333@aol.com http://www.bestfriends.org


ummm 15:40:03 4/21/2007
"Loosing rspect for someone is not the same as hating them."
You are missing the point, still. Losing respect, hating- either way, you are generalizing about a LARGE POPULATION OF PEOPLE. Not all Amish are puppy mill owners! In fact, many of the vendors at this flea market are against puppy mills. The puppy auction rents the space, that doesn't mean every Amish person tortures animals.
I am not changing the subject, as I have said, puppy mills are terrible. But why not write to your congressmen about it and try to get laws p####ed against them, instead of spewing baseless hatred toward a group of people on the internet? Every comment gives a story about why puppy mills are bad. We get it. Bigotry and hatred are bad too.
ummm


Allie Werhan 15:29:55 4/21/2007
Loosing rspect for someone is not the same as hating them. Secondly, it seems to me that people who say so are deliberately trying to change the subject, which is the inhumane and cruel treatment of animals. I have a friend who adopted a female cat from a breeder. The cat is scared of everything, doesn't know how to play, and has separation anxiety. Food animals are also regarded as things, with no right to their lives. Even lowly insects have a right to the life they have been given, and the only reasons we have to take a life is to protect our own, or to end suffering which has no hope of improving. We are all part of the fabric of life, and when we torture, or express cruelty or indifference to any life, we are committing those acts to all life. It is time to stop puppy mills, kitten mills, and other forms of cruelty to other beings.
Allie Werhan From AZ oonaoop@yahoo.com


Nancy Vargo 15:11:05 4/21/2007
The anger and frustration of the comments left here are not directed all the Amish. They are directed at all who allow the suffering of puppy mills to continue, both within and outside of the Amish communities. We don't care who causes the suffering, we want it stopped. We work to help animals locally, and use whatever means we find, including this forum, to shine light on the darkness of hidden suffering. We hope that if enough people see the truth, that the truth will set these poor dogs free.
Nancy Vargo From Prescott ,AZ, USA insureu@cableone.net


argh 13:00:48 4/21/2007
And let me also make it clear that i do NOT support puppy mills. I volunteer for an animal rescue. But I also do not support the slandering of an entire religious group. It doesn't matter how many links you show me, or how many ways you describe puppy mills. I KNOW. I AGREE THAT THEY ARE TERRIBLE. That is not my point.
argh From Buffalo


argh 12:54:11 4/21/2007
A response to Mary-
Are you listening to yourself? Do you realize how ignorant and prejudiced you sound? I suppose you think all Muslims are terrorists too, huh.
Bringing McDonalds and KFC into the discussion is absolutely relevant. Try to follow me here- these companies do horrible things to animals as well. But do you troll around the internet spamming guestbooks about it, and boycott those businesses? No. The reason? You are a bigot. There are puppy mills that are NOT run by the Amish, but are you grouping those puppy millers into a category based on their ethnic heritage and religious beliefs? No. The reason? You are prejudiced. The Amish people are easy to group together because they have a different lifestyle, so you just say "oh, those people have no respect for animals" instead of taking the time to educate yourself. Grow up. People like you are the reason that Animal Rights activists get a bad reputation. Do us all a favor and be quiet.
argh From buffalo


mary 12:36:27 4/21/2007
To those who believe we are lumping all Amish together...Yes, we are! The Amish as a whole DO NOT respect animals at all for the living beings they are, but see them as a tool to be used up as they would a plow or spinning wheel. THAT is the problem. Since they have no part of the "English" or our science, they refuse to know/learn anything about the reality of breeding any animals they use. So..you get line breeding, no vet care and zero admission that these animals/dogs are alive and an entity unto itself. Pure and simple: they are running "puppy mills" as the definition states. They breed for use and if the dog (or other animals) cannot be "used" it is culled in a most heinous and non-humane fashion. THAT is the reality. Another Amish reality is that they are more than happy to get "English" money for these dogs that are kept in horrifically squalid conditions and bred over and over. Isn't definition of a bloody puppy mill good enough for the "supporters" of these "religious" group of people? Bringing in Walmart and KFC and McDonalds has absolutely no bearing on this issue. This is about how the Amish abuse, neglect, torture, and generate profits at the expense of a living being that they see as a tool. AND, bringing up other countries and their issues with animals also has no place here--we are discussing our views on the Amish and their ways of destroying an animal's life in ALL ways. Keep that in mind and then you might possibly see the wrongs being committed by a group of "religious" people in the name of money. Guess they are not keeping themselves as separate from the rest of the nation as they claim; if they were, we would not see the Almighty Dollar rise above the Almighty god!!!!
mary From london, Oh, USA


Helen Zeppenfeld Brown 12:31:03 4/21/2007
Emaciated, broken bones, impacted urine and feces in their hair, ears and eyes matted shut, crippled, open sores...sounds like a horror movie. This is what we see when we pick up dogs from the Amish Puppy Mills. The ones we have taken in have stayed in quarantine at our vet center a month before they can be taken into foster homes, then it takes another 6 months to socialize them.
Would we allow our own children to live in such conditions. I know the Amish don't treat their children in this fashion. These dogs are God's creatures the same as our children, why would the Amish even think of treating them so horribly if it was not just for the money.
Grab a tissue and go to the web site www.atailtotell.com and watch the video of one of our rescue efforts. I was there and I cried as a watched the video.
The next step is to contact the politicians and put pressure on them to stop such horrible acts. They are the elected officials that represent us. If they can't do it, someone else up for their job can.
Helen Zeppenfeld Brown From Bedford PA, USA lhasas@bkvsoap.com http://www.lhasaapsorescue.org


Rachel 11:11:03 4/21/2007
I have to agree with Dorris. The Amish are just ONE of our problems... and for the Idiot that posted at the bottom, what world do you live in, they still sell pupies and have been for a LONG time. We need to educate on spay and nueter. I often require breeders to work or voulenteer one day at a kill shelter before I will work with them. The ones that do this NEVER breed again (I keep tabs on them) most of them start pure-bred rescues where everyone is fixed, ect. And their dogs come from kill shelters. EDUCATION is the key right now. The Amish also need to understand the damage they are doing... please read up on the # of animals that die, and take a look at where the cute litte puppy at Petland came from. And find your pet on www.petfinder.com
Rachel From Ohio, US

Please move your discussion here...

Hi Everyone,

I want to give you all the opportunity to continue your discussions on puppy mills where the link can be viewed by the general public.